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Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Shabery vs Anwar

I think half of the Malaysian watched the petrol debate between disgraced ex vice PM, Anwar 'butt muncher' Ibrahim and the current whatever minister Ahmad Shaberi Cheek. Obviously I didn't watched it coz;

a)I'm too cool for Malaysian politics
b)I'm tired of Anwar Ibrahim shits
c)Why bother listening when obviously they debate to prove their mass lying public speaking power than to actually help the rakyats.

And from what I heard butt muncher kick ass (oh the irony). Ahmad Shaberi is stupid for not being prepared to face the man with mega word twisting reputation like Anwar Ibrahim. My crystal ball told me that somebody will mysteriously 'resign' from his post in near future.

For latest update click the jump.


Update 16 July 2.30pm: agendadaily.com site crash down

Update 16 July 2.30pm:
KUALA LUMPUR: Penasihat Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR), Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim tidak mengemukakan formula menurunkan harga bahan api yang meyakinkan dan mapan pada debat khas mengenai "Hari ini membentuk kerajaan, esok turun harga minyak."

Walaupun beliau berhujah dengan petah dan menarik hati penonton terutama penyokongnya menerusi retoriknya, formula yang dibentangkan berjaya dipatahkan oleh lawannya Datuk Ahmad Shabery Cheek, Menteri Penerangan.

Ahmad Shabery lebih banyak mengemukakan fakta mempertahankan tindakan kerajaan menstruktur semula subsidi minyak berbanding Anwar yang memilih pendekatan populis yang mengambil hati penonton.

Anwar berkata, harga bahan api boleh diturunkan 50 sen seliter sehari selepas sekiranya Pakatan Rakyat memerintah menerusi formula RM5 bilion digunakan bagi menampung penurunan harga minyak. Wang itu dapat diperoleh dengan penjimatan perbelanjaan kerajaan termasuk mengatasi masalah kebocoran dan ketirisan, dan mengurangkan 'standby' kapasiti pengeluaran tenaga daripada 40 peratus kepada 20 peratus oleh pengeluar tenaga bebas (IPP).

"Dengan mengurangkan kapasiti itu saja kita telah mendapat RM2 bilion, jadi RM3 bilion lagi diperoleh melalui penjimatan dan mengatasi kebocoran," katanya.

Mematahkan hujah-hujah Anwar pada debat anjuran Agendadaily.com di Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka (DBP) malam tadi, Ahmad Shabery berkata cadangan Anwar itu sudah tidak lagi relevan berikutan harga minyak di pasaran dunia sekarang lebih mahal berbanding harga semasa formula itu di warkan-warkan sejak sebelum pilihan raya umum Mac lepas.

Beliau menjelaskan pada masa itu harga bahan api adalah RM1.92 seliter bagi petrol dan RM1.58 seliter diesel.

Berikutan harga setong minyak di pasaran dunia mencecah lebih US$130 setong, kerajaan terpaksa menstruktur semula subsidi bahan api, menjadikan harga di pam petrol RM2.70 seliter dan diesel RM2.58 seliter.

"Kalau kerajaan mengekalkan harga minyak pada kadar yang lama, ini bermakna subsidi yang terpaksa ditanggung oleh kerajaan ialah sebanyak RM50 bilion.

"Ini bermakna banyak program pembangunan, termasuk sekolah, jalan, Felda, soal orang di kampung tidak dapat dijalankan hanya untuk menampung cara hidup yang berterusan yang ada pada hari ini," kata Ahmad Shabery.

Ahmad Shabery berkata kenaikan harga minyak adalah fenomena global yang berlaku di seluruh dunia akibat banyak faktor termasuk perang Iraq, kemungkinan Amerika Syarikat menyerang Iran dan peningkatan permintaan bahan api oleh China serta India.

Beliau berkata penyelesaian kepada masalah ini bukan dengan menambah subsidi secara konvensional tetapi memerlukan satu pendekatan baru menerusi penstrukturan subsidi bagi menjamin ia benar-benar disalur dan dinikmati oleh rakyat berpendapatan rendah.

"Kalau kita terus bagi subsidi, ada syarikat asing seperti Exxon-Mobil, Shell dan sebagainya yang turut mendapat faedah daripada wang rakyat," katanya.

Beliau berkata kebanyakan negara lain turut mengambil pendekatan yang sama seperti Malaysia.

Ahmad Shabery yang turut membidas Anwar kerana mendakwa kenaikan harga minyak kerana pengurusan kerajaan yang tidak cekap, berkata malah Finland, Norway dan juga negara yang dilaporkan kurang mempunyai kes rasuah tidak memberikan subsidi minyak kepada rakyatnya. "Mereka telah menunjukkan prestasi ekonomi yang lebih baik dan Malaysia juga harus menuju ke arah itu," katanya.

"Kalau kita mengajar rakyat kita dengan harga yang murah walaupun pada hakikatnya harga minyak antarabangsa adalah tinggi, tahun 2015 (apakah) kita akan menjadi net importer?

"Mungkin beberapa tahun lagi kita tidak ada minyak lagi. Apakah subsidi begini akan diteruskan atau pada waktu itu baru hendak naik mendadak serta-merta daripada apa yang ada sekarang?" tanya Ahmad Shabery kepada Anwar.

Anwar bagaimanapun mempertikaikan sumber minyak negara akan habis pada 2015 dan mendakwa kemungkinan telaga minyak baru ditemui kerana negara pernah menjangka kehabisan simpanan minyak pada 2005.

Kata Anwar lagi Petronas juga giat menjalankan aktiviti mencarigali di luar negara.

Ahmad Shabery berkata Malaysia memang negara pengeksport minyak tetapi bukannya pengeluar besar, oleh itu khazanah negara perlu diuruskan dengan cermat bagi kepentingan generasi akan datang.

"Daripada keuntungan Petronas itu, sebenarnya yang telah diberi pada kerajaan ialah sebanyak 91 peratus, apa lagi yang kita nak ambil dari Petronas," katanya disambut dengan tepukan penonton.

Ahmad Shabery, yang tidak luntur semangat menghadapi kepetahan Anwar berhujah menambah kata "Ingat Petronas kuat dan maju sekarang ini kerana siapa. Tidakkah kerana kerajaan Umno dan Barisan Nasional.

"Kehebatan yang dibuat oleh Petronas selama ini adalah dorongan yang diberikan kerajaan. Kita tidak bebankan Petronas, kita benarkan Petronas untuk menabur kembali (keuntungan)," katanya.

Penonton yang terdiri daripada 50 orang daripada Pakatan Rakyat dan 50 daripada pihak kerajaan mengikuti debat itu dengan tertib tanpa membuat sebarang kekecohan di Balai Budaya Tun Syed Nasir, DBP.

Begitu juga dengan ratusan penyokong kedua-dua belah pihak yang memberi sokongan moral di luar dewan.

Rata-rata penonton yang ditemui berpuas hati dengan perjalanan debat itu yang mereka sifatkan sebagai menyuburkan amalan demokrasi di negara ini.

"Anwar mengambil pendekatan mencuri hati penonton menerusi retorik yang menyentuh emosi penonton tetapi kurang meyakinkan dari segi mengemukakan kaedah sedangkan Ahmad Shabery lebih banyak mengemukakan fakta kukuh dan munasabah," komen seorang penonton yang enggan namanya disebut.

Debat kira-kira sejam itu dikendalikan oleh pengerusi Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka, Datuk Johan Jafaar. - Bernama via Berita Harian
Not in the mood for translating everything

Update 16 july 9am: I looked for the debate analysis and so far no major news network even care to do a coverage. Like OMG, are we not that important?

Update 16 July 2008: KUALA LUMPUR: Information Minister Datuk Ahmad Shabery Cheek took on PKR adviser Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim in a rarely seen debate on live television last night.

The one-hour debate, entitled “Today we form the Government, tomorrow the fuel prices will go down” proceeded smoothly with both speakers backing their points with facts.

The event was organised by online news portal Agenda Daily and was broadcast live over TV9, Astro Awani and Bernama TV.

Invited to be the first speaker, Anwar started off by saying that fuel prices would be reduced by 50 sen a litre to alleviate the economic burden faced by the people if Pakatan Rakyat formed the Government tomorrow.

Anwar said it would only cost the Government RM5bil to bring down fuel prices by 50 sen.

He said RM2bil could be saved by reducing the country’s electricity buffer of 40% to 20%, as the extra capacity only benefited independent power producers (IPP).

Anwar hit out at the recent increase in fuel prices, saying such drastic measures within a short period had pushed inflation up.

“It was said that while prices go drastically up, inflation levels would not rise. Who was the one who taught that economic theory?” he said.

In response to that point, Shabery stressed that the inflation faced now could not be attributed solely to fuel prices.

He said major oil producers such as Venezuela and Iran experienced higher inflation than Malaysia although their fuel prices were much lower.

“In Venezuela, inflation is 30%, while Iran is one of the eight nations worst hit by inflation.

“It is not just oil prices that have gone up, but food as well. Our rice is cheaper than Thailand and that is because of our policies.

“We do not have to demonstrate on the streets or organise improper concerts,” he said.

On claims that as an oil producer, Malaysia stood to profit with from higher crude oil prices, Shabery said Malaysia was only a minor oil producer.

“In 2015, Malaysia will become a net importer of oil. By then, will we be forced to raise the price of fuel drastically?” he said.

Both Shabery and Anwar managed to squeeze in a few pot shots at each other.

Before leaving, Shabery told reporters that he was satisfied with the debate but would leave it to the Government to decide how he had performed.

Shabery had earlier said he would resign as Information Minister if he failed to defend the Government’s fuel policy.

Anwar said he was disappointed that several personal attacks had been made on him. via the star

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4 Comments:
  • At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 8:19:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    i suggest you just shut your blog down. utterly useless piece of cyber waste.

     
  • At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 8:23:00 AM, Blogger Roronoa Zoro said…

    fuck off!

     
  • At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:10:00 AM, Blogger hati batu said…

    show some balls if you have any anon! it just goes to show that we are spied on by these political motherfuckers.

    anyhow, back to your post. no doubt that anwar is a great HYPE-notist speaker but my god he was crapping the whole way through. the only thing that made him look good was the fact that Shabery Chik was not as good and he steered off course for a bit. btw, the topic was in anwar's advantage.

    but i have to point out that anwar was running on a false premise from the beginning. he made the statement to reduce gas price prior to the GE at price RM 1.92 but during the debate he used the current RM 2.70.

    So that shows that if in fact PR were to win he can't avoid a rise in oil price still. he would still increase it to RM 2.20. That's a 50sen difference which amounts to another RM 20 billion or so of subsidy. even that he did not mention for how long?

    he did say that an increase in gas price is indeed inevitable eventually but he just disagrees on the sharp increase. but if the government were to spread out the increment then the issue could never be resolved as the opposition will use it as a political issue as the rakyat complains. it's an unfair lose-lose situation for the government.

    anyhow, as usualy being a political opporutnist anwar preyed on the rakyats hardship. nelayan, petani, pemandu semua keluar when in fact he lives in a RM 7 million villa in Segambut.

     
  • At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:40:00 AM, Blogger Roronoa Zoro said…

    touche hatibatu, my thought exactly.

    however shabery's unpreparedness in this debate is mindbogling.

    about the oil price hike and PR, i think they've lost even before they started. they totally deviate from their major election manifesto which i think a typical malaysian 'tude, 'talk first do later'.

     
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